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Il y a 6 heures, QUINTEFLUSH45 a écrit :

c'est quoi ce commentaire  a 2 francs ...

même si j'apprécie la référence, c'est 0,30 euro.

Crois-moi sur parole, parler sur le CP de retour du franc n'a pas bonne presse  :ph34r:

 

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Personne ne s'inquiète de la totale opacité que cette tendance générale va installer vis à vis des bots ?

Parce que jusqu'à il y a peu c'était surtout les joueurs qui contribuaient, avec leurs trackers, à les dénicher...

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Msg de HM2 sur 2+2

 

After June 17, you should be aware that partypoker players will no longer be able to download hand histories of their results. With the removal of hand histories, partypoker is effectively asking their players to “trust us but do not verify.

Some players will minimize the implications of no hand histories because they are comfortable relying solely on partypoker internal security. This kind of blind faith is dangerous and ill-advised for at least a couple of reasons, and this post addresses why we believe this is dangerous for poker players and bad for online poker.

Even though poker sites have internal game security, in their own blog partypoker reported that, for April 2019, “39 account closures in the month, 38.5% (15) were directly attributed to reports submitted by partypoker players.”

On multiple occasions, hand histories were used to detect major cheating scandals that involved players being cheated by poker site “insiders”. While this is not an accusation against partypoker, it is the height of being naïve to assume that it could not happen again.

The lack of the most critical tool allowing players to help police game integrity should be a key factor to consider when deciding which online poker sites you support in the future as a player.

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How does a hand history help protect players?

Hand histories have a long track record of being the most important tool to help players themselves ensure game integrity yet partypoker is removing them "to protect players". Poker hand histories are often downloaded into a local database such as those provided by PokerTracker and Holdem Manager software. Once a player has a database of their hand histories, the analytics tools in the software are instrumental in allowing customers to:

(A) filter/sort/analyze key playing results/trends/patterns that can be instrumental in flagging potential cheating, chip dumping or bots.

(B) review and verify the integrity of card distributions across large samples of their hand histories.

Downloadable poker hand histories also allow you to send a hand to a friend or post it on a forum to publicly discuss it with others.


I don’t use a poker hand database to review my hand histories. Why should I care?

While you may not use a hand history database, the players that do use them are helping to protect every poker player. When a player detects suspicious play or patterns of potential cheating via the analytics in their PokerTracker or Holdem Manager hand history database, they are often detecting cheating rings, chip dumpers, and bots that have cheated 1000’s of players prior to being discovered.


Why can’t I just rely on partypoker to protect the integrity of the games on their site?

Rob Yong is a partypoker partner and the same person who, when asked about upcoming partypoker cash game ecology changes (including the elimination of hand histories), publicly stated on the Jeff Gross Podcast that “The decisions that are getting made or will be made will mainly come from myself”.

Given that Rob Yong is a partner in partypoker and is the self proclaimed decision maker that has decided that partypoker players will no longer receive hand histories, what he says publicly should be of particular importance to partypoker players.

Rob Yong recently stated “I am absolutely like 100% sure that partypoker will eradicate all bots, collusion, and cheating . . ."

How comfortable would you feel using an antivirus software that claims “we will eliminate 100% of all current and future viruses and you will never again be the victim of an attack of any kind”. A reasonable and rational person would be skeptical of such a statement. Reasonable and rational partypoker players should similarly be skeptical of this claim made by Rob Yong.

Why should a partypoker player be comfortable with a site removing their hand histories when their public statements demonstrate this kind of naivety or, at worst, a willingness to intentionally
mislead their players by stating all bots, collusion and cheating are going to be eliminated by their internal game security going forward.

Rob Yong also stated in the podcast that “A loss making bot must be the best thing for a site but obviously it doesn’t matter you can’t have bots playing poker”.

Seriously? So if a bot is able to beat players of a certain skill level but overall is a losing bot because of more highly skilled players then that is “the best thing for a site”? The less skilled players that are unable to beat the bot might be of a different opinion.

Making a statement like that on some level should undermine confidence or at least raise reasonable questions as to partypoker's commitment to eliminating bots. Yet, once again, players are asked to “trust us but do not verify.”

Lastly, as we touched on above, some of the biggest cheating scandals in online poker history involved poker site “insiders” (Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker) cheating their own players. These cheating scandals were only detected because players had the ability to analyze hand histories and then reported their findings publicly. Once again, this is not to infer that partypoker will engage in this kind of activity. But this should cause a reasonable and rational player at partypoker to feel uncomfortable with a “trust us but do not verify” policy with players.


Will partypoker eliminating hand histories provide any benefit to players?

The emphatic answer is NO.

Eliminating hand histories has no impact on the data mining and eventual sale of hand histories because data mining and cheating software do not rely on hand histories provided by a poker site. The practice of mining and selling hand histories has indeed hurt online poker . . . but mining of hand histories is actually combated by the poker sites not allowing observers at tables.

Similarly, it is disingenuous, at best, to imply to partypoker players that eliminating hand histories will protect them from cheating software. There are multiple techniques that black hat software developers can use to internally generate hand histories.

We realize that there are some players that are not in favor of HUD’s. Removing hand histories does not prevent HUDs. While we feel strongly that HUDs are a beneficial tool for both the player and sites, our focus in this thread is about player safety and the danger inherent in the removal of hand histories.


Will the elimination of hand histories level the playing field between all players?

No. It will achieve just the opposite. Black hat 3rd party software will soon offer the ability to build hand histories on partypoker even though an actual hand history is no longer delivered by the poker site.

What will be achieved is only players using black hat 3rd party tools will have hand histories on partypoker going forward. All of the rule following players will be left without the single most effective tool that they had to help self-police the integrity of the games on partypoker : hand histories.


What should I do?

There are three things that every partypoker player should do to help protect their right to hand histories:

  1. Make other players aware of the increased risk to game integrity associated with partypoker eliminating hand histories effective June 17th. This can be achieved through forum posts, tweets, and blog posts as well as by discussing it with other players when playing live.
  2. Communicate directly to partypoker your concerns about the increased risk to game security and game integrity that will result from removing hand histories.
  3. Lastly, support poker sites that demonstrate an appreciation and respect for players contribution to game security and game integrity that is only possible by providing their players with hand histories.


Max Value Software LLC is responsible for this post. MVS owns PokerTracker and Hold’em Manager.

 

 

 

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/partypoker-protecting-players-removing-hand-histories-1745206/

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Depuis la nouvelle mise à jour de ce matin, impossible de voir les cartes de vilain au showdown alors même qu'il nous a payé. Avant c'était possible quand on cliquait sur le numéro de la main.

Les imports dans hm2 sont bugés. Et en regardant de plus près les historiques de mains, il semble que ni le board, ni la main de vilain au showdown n'apparaissent dans la hh.

Bref, qu'est ce que vous avez fait? C'est normal?

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pareil avec PT4 mais j ai comme l impression que c est pas volontaire, y a quand même une main de temps en temps qui est trackée par pt4 chez moi . Si le but de la MAJ était d interdire totalement les tracker j' imagine qu' aucune main ne serait lisible par PT4

@PMU Poker - Vincent ?

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Ca vient d'être mis en place sur le .fr aujourd'hui. Le plus frustrant c'est de ne plus voir les mains au showdown et de ne plus pouvoir poster des hhs... Pour le reste vu le niveau ça change pas grand chose, pas trop dur d identifier un loose passif, un loose surjoueur, un maniaque (style quinteflush), un gros nit et un reg de micro standard. La seule stat qui me manquera un peu c'est de pas avoir le "went to sd" des regs, mais suffira de prendre des notes... Bref un changement qui sert strictement a rien a part a faire chi**.

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il y a 5 minutes, Cashane a écrit :

Ca vient d'être mis en place sur le .fr aujourd'hui. Le plus frustrant c'est de ne plus voir les mains au showdown et de ne plus pouvoir poster des hhs... Pour le reste vu le niveau ça change pas grand chose, pas trop dur d identifier un loose passif, un loose surjoueur, un maniaque (style quinteflush), un gros nit et un reg de micro standard. La seule stat qui me manquera un peu c'est de pas avoir le "went to sd" des regs, mais suffira de prendre des notes... Bref un changement qui sert strictement a rien a part a faire chi**.

euh  , je suis maniaque moi ? 

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Il y a 1 heure, LE VIRUS a écrit :

Mon HUD S'affiche mais ne s'actualise pas avec les nouvelles HH.

Le resultat de ma session est tracké néanmoins mais je n'ai pas le detail des mains. ca vous fait ca egalement? 

Idem. Resultat ok, mais détail des mains et stats complétement fausses ou absentes

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Bah  ça aussi ça se contourne (y a des softs qui permettent de cacher la présence d'autres softs). En fait les stats preflop continuent de s'updater, ainsi que les gains (avec hem1 en tout cas) mais pas tout ce qui est post flop vu que les indicateurs de phase flop/turn/river et les cartes du board ont disparus dans les hh.

 

Il y a 11 heures, QUINTEFLUSH45 a écrit :

euh  , je suis maniaque moi ? 

Je confonds peut être avec un autre (un QINTELFUSH en majuscules aussi mais sans le U et les chiffres ^^) qui jouait 71/44 avec 41% de 3bet.

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Ah c'est juste un bug en fait? (parce que c'est pas un nouveau format, même dans l historique de sessions on voit pas le board (on voit les indictateurs flop turn river mais pas les cartes). Enfin cool c'est rassurant :)

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il y a une heure, Cashane a écrit :

Bah  ça aussi ça se contourne (y a des softs qui permettent de cacher la présence d'autres softs). En fait les stats preflop continuent de s'updater, ainsi que les gains (avec hem1 en tout cas) mais pas tout ce qui est post flop vu que les indicateurs de phase flop/turn/river et les cartes du board ont disparus dans les hh.

 

Je confonds peut être avec un autre (un QINTELFUSH en majuscules aussi mais sans le U et les chiffres ^^) qui jouait 71/44 avec 41% de 3bet.

ok me disait   

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il y a une heure, PMU Poker – Alexis a écrit :

Bonjour, il ne s'agit pas d'un blocage volontaire, le nouveau format des HH n'étant pas supporté par les trackers.
Nous allons revenir vers vous au plus vite pour un état des lieux plus complet.  

ok que ce soit un bug , mais bon  si c 'est pour nous oter dans 1 mois  les HH  , ne les remettez pas ..il faut s 'y habituer 

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